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Juanster

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Date Posted: Oct/10/2009 11:52 AM
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What's It going to take to make you Mad as He--? Try this?
This Iraqi Constitution is the direct result of the Bush Administration's decision to invade that country. Since it was written at the behest and coercion of our government, the articles I highlighted; should blow holes in every argument currently arising out of both houses of congress regarding Healthcare and Education.

The question no one seems to want the answer to in Washington, is whether We-The-People of the United States deserve (at least), a health and education system that's as good as the one the U.S. Gov. designed and placed in the Iraqi Constitution fot the people of Iraq..

IMHO, a national poll should ask this question of all the Congress critter's that voted to give Bush the power to attack Iraq. This Iraqi Constitution was/is being paid for with our and our children's bloody Tax dollars. The articles it contains regarding health and education is proof, that the right thing to do for the people of any Nation by it's rulers, was included in this document by the U.S. Gov. Don't we-the-people merit at least as much consideration from the U.S.creators of this Iraqi document? Why do we have to plead, beg, threaten to riot, to get anyone to listen? We Need That Poll! Here are the highlighted articles of this U.S./Iraqi Constitution:From the text of the Iraqi Constitution:
Article 30:

First: The state guarantee to the individual and the family -- especially children and women -- social and health security and the basic requirements for leading a free and dignified life. The state also ensures the above a suitable income and appropriate housing.

Second: The State guarantees the social and health security to Iraqis in cases of old age, sickness, employment disability, homelessness, orphanage or unemployment, and shall work to protect them from ignorance, fear and poverty. The State shall provide them housing and special programs of care and rehabilitation. This will be organized by law.

Article 31:

First: Every citizen has the right to health care. The state takes care of public health and provide the means of prevention and treatment by building different types of hospitals and medical institutions.

Second: Individuals and institutions may build hospitals or clinics or places for treatment with the supervision of the state and this shall be regulated by law.

Article 32:

The State cares for the handicapped and those with special needs and ensure their rehabilitation in order to reintegrate them into society. This shall be regulated by law.

Article 33:

First: Every individual has the right to live in a safe environment.

Second: The State undertakes the protection and preservation of the environment and biological diversity.

Article 34:

First: Education is a fundamental factor in the progress of society and is a right guaranteed by the state. Primary education is mandatory and the state guarantees to eradicate illiteracy.

Second: Free education is a right for all Iraqis in all its stages.


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JackAussie

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Date Posted: Oct/10/2009 8:56 PM
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That invasion stuffed up a lot of things.
A U.N. panel on Monday approved Iraq's plan to receive oil-export payments in Europe's single currency after Baghdad decided to move the start date back a week. Members of the Security Council's Iraqi sanctions committee said the panel's chairman, Dutch Ambassador Peter van Walsum, would inform U.N. officials on Tuesday of the decision to allow Iraq to receive payments in euros, rather than dollars.

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Israel: First to use "AIR PIRACY" in their own terrorism so as to gain a part of Palestine.
Lets not forget that it was the Israelis who introduced suicide bombing!
How did they gain such a hold on the US Government?

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Shadow077

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Date Posted: Oct/10/2009 9:08 PM
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The question no one seems to want the answer to in Washington, is whether We-The-People of the United States deserve (at least), a health and education system that's as good as the one the U.S. Gov. designed and placed in the Iraqi Constitution fot the people of Iraq..


Interesting question,Jaunster (and to this forum )


Whether the US population "deserves" it is one thing. Whether it even WANTS an improved health and education system is another. Seems that they would just rather fight party politics and put obstacles in the way with obstructionist behavior.

One cannot muster much sympathy for them these days.


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JackAussie

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Date Posted: Oct/10/2009 9:32 PM
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It's on the cards you will get a Universal Health Service all that is stopping it are some dinosaurs, some very selfish ones.

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Israel: First to use "AIR PIRACY" in their own terrorism so as to gain a part of Palestine.
Lets not forget that it was the Israelis who introduced suicide bombing!
How did they gain such a hold on the US Government?

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Juanster

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Date Posted: Oct/11/2009 1:34 AM
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notbobshope, thanks for the welcom.
You said; "Of course the Iraq Constitution is an Islamic one, you failed to note and Sharia is also a factor that makes it some what different from the U.S. one and the First
Amendment, though some on the religious right assert the "god" mentioned there is Jesus Christ."


Although this wasn't my point in posting this here's
a few facts you might not be aware of:"The new Iraqi Constitution lacks legitimacy. It was drafted under U.S. supervision by a body hand-chosen by the U.S. Military Occupation Authorities, and subject to final approval by the U.S. proconsul, Paul Bremer." However, the Constitution as drafted provides no limits on what issues the interim government, in whatever form it takes, may decide--including continuing the U.S.-initiated privatization policies, negotiating major replacement oil contracts, and most significantly signing a Status of Forces Agreement with the U.S. to provide an Iraqi invitation to the 100,000+ U.S. troops who will remain in Iraq."
"The Constitution calls for a federal system of government, in which, despite language to the contrary, the sectors are almost certain to be determined by Iraqis' ethnic and religious identity. The division of Iraqis into Shia', Sunni, Kurdish, Turkoman, Assyrian, Christian identities is the basis for the U.S.-created Iraqi Governing Council, and is the likely basis of the division of power within a federal Iraqi system. This causes three major problems: 1) there is no representation for Iraqis who identify first as Iraqi citizens, and only secondarily as Shia'a, Kurds, or whatever. 2) The ethnic/religious quotas assume that all Kurds, Shia'a, Sunni, Assyrians, or others represent monolithic political blocs. 3) A system based on ethnic or religious sectoral interests is inherently unstable, in most cases giving minority and majority populations too little or too much power, and undermining national identity as Iraqis. Lebanon 's years of confessional (religiously determined) division and war demonstrates the potential dangers." Foreign Policy In Focus http://www.fpif.org/cgaa/talkingpoints/0403iraq-const.html

My point was/is this; The money we've borrowed to fund these wars and maintain military bases around the world in our efforts to portray the illusion of an Imperialistic empire that we can't afford, would fund the type of healthcare and education system this government has designed for Iraq. I was taught that Charity(love) was first to start at home. Read Geo. Washington's farewell address.



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Juanster

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Date Posted: Oct/11/2009 1:44 AM
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Hey Aussie,
Wasn't the money we borrowed to fund this creation of a democratic/sovereign Iraqi State, suppposed to have been paid back to the U.S.government with interest? What the he--can we do wth Euros?

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Juanster

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Date Posted: Oct/11/2009 2:08 AM
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Hi Shadow,
I posted this in another forum, but it's very relevant to the Selfish and uncaring Mindset so prevelent in this Nation since it's inception, to wit; I've been researching the source of the mindset of why some in this nation or viewed as undeserving of healthcare and education. You'll be surprised at what I found.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=268

Within this Nation of immigrants, there's a caste system stemming from those elites of the King, who looked upon dissidents and prisoners of war and other miscreants as less deserving of the Englsh society's humane treatment add to this the Irish, the Scots, the Levellers and the Puritans and any that voiced disagreement with the King; to wit, From: The Complete Book of Emigrants in Bondage, 1614-1775 "Between 1614 and 1775 some 50,000 English men, women, and children were sentenced by judicial process to be sent to the American colonies for a variety of crimes." http://www.genealogical.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&ref=1000&item_number=1098

What this mindset has morphed into is the view that, all who are the descendants of convicts and slaves, their healthcare should be provided by the grave. IOW, when this group is nolonger productive, Death should be their only otion.

This opinion was voiced on the WashingtonJournal@7am Sept. 16,2009. When the majority of us that fight the wars, pay the taxes, and assumes the responsibility for this governments deficits; is there any excuse that can be put forth to justify what these elites are doing to us? Can you see why An Iraqi is viewed as more deserving than the average Joe-sixpack here in the U.S.? We, at least should have a health and educational system as good as what an Iraqi citizen enjoys If we were viewed as All Equal under the Law.




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Shadow077

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Date Posted: Oct/11/2009 2:25 AM
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Valid points ,Juan.


If we were viewed as All Equal under the Law.


maybe that is the problem. Maybe "we" are NOT viewed as all equal under the law, no matter what the propaganda machine says.



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JackAussie

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Date Posted: Oct/11/2009 3:47 AM
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Juanster

<< Wasn't the money we borrowed to fund this creation of a democratic/sovereign Iraqi State, supposed to have been paid back to the U.S.government with interest? >>

The loans were to set up and pay for the invasion and help keep the occupation of Iraq. Yes there was talk about OIL being used to pay for the take over but I fear that it was it but will be a long time coming What the he--can we do with Euros? >>

Buy your dollars back is my best guess

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Israel: First to use "AIR PIRACY" in their own terrorism so as to gain a part of Palestine.
Lets not forget that it was the Israelis who introduced suicide bombing!
How did they gain such a hold on the US Government?

 Message edited by: JackAussie on 10/11/2009 03:48:48

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Juanster

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Date Posted: Oct/11/2009 4:43 AM
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Shadow,
This isn't some hairbrained conspiracy theory, the evidence is overwhelming. As I said ,I've done a bit of research on this [Mindset] and the documented proof is found here; Items
White Cargo: The Forgotten History of Britain's White Slaves in America by Don Jordan
Colonists in Bondage: White Servitude and Convict Labor in America 1607-1776 by Abbot Emerson Smith. They Were White and They Were Slaves: The Untold History of the Enslavement of Whites in Early America (Paperback)
by Michael A. Hoffman II (Author)

This mindset from that time, is now infesting all facets of this government.

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Shadow077

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Date Posted: Oct/11/2009 4:54 AM
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I hear ya, Juan.

...a mindset that is as tenacious as a virus...

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